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Post by winston on Mar 27, 2009 16:53:25 GMT
KidV, I like your pln.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 18:48:38 GMT
I've been hoping for something like that, Winston. It's tough to communicate with you guys without drawing suspicion.
I still think it's not time to do any bussing yet. Town is in just as bad a shape as we are. I like Kid V's claim results, and I agree that they should be in that order, too. If we get Chucara to claim, though, we need a promise that he'll log on early enough in the Day to pull it off. Apparently he's had problems getting online in time for stuff in this game, so we need a backup plan.
The reason Kid V was my other choice for that, is that he's drawn suspicion *by* laying low--like Chucara, but not quite as optimal, because he's expressed some controversial opinions too. But Kid V and Chucara can pull off the claim, and Winston and I can't.
I need to stress again--and get acknowledgment from everyone on this--that we all need to vote tomorrow (all for PCM, sounds like).
The only thing that's bugging me about this is there's already been a fair bit of "anyone who claims Seer now is absolutely lying and we need to trust PCM". Thoughts on how we counter that? Do we need to? I don't want to see this turn on us.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 19:01:45 GMT
Yeah, HD, what I'm saying is, whoever claims (ideally, Chucara) says something along the lines of "I didn't claim until now because I didn't have any results. I still don't, but I know PCM is scum, and we're probably at lylo and he's probably going to bus a Towny as soon as he posts, so I'm claiming now. I investigated Story, Boozy, and HD."
This will not be universally accepted, and several players will be outraged. It doesn't matter, though. Assuming the kill on PCM fails (if it works, we don't need this gambit), there'll be seven of them and 4 of us. All we need is for two of them to be voting for PCM at the end of the Day, and we can swing the vote.
If it works, it'll be 6-4 after the lynch, 5-4 after our kill, they'll lynch our false-claimer Day 5 making it 5-3, we kill and it's 4-3 and lylo.
On the other hand, if we tag one of the masons, and open with a false claim, it'll 6-4 tomorrow, and if we get PCM lynched, our NK should win us the game. That may be a better plan, actually.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 19:06:30 GMT
That's what I'm saying. It depends on who's more likely to be protected.
Also, it's important that our claimant returns Mason on Story, IMO.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 19:22:33 GMT
We don't know how CIAS is providing results, though. PCM could be making up that he gets the roles.
I'd say our claimant just says they looked at Story, Boozy, and HD, and haven't found scum. And yeah, lets kill a mason. RT is probably least likely to be protected.
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Post by winston on Mar 27, 2009 19:28:13 GMT
Here's an outline of my proposed messaging system. In this thread, we record a handful of brief instructions, and associate them with numbers in roughly the range of yesterDay's posts, like so...
743 KidV claim Seer 755 Chacura claim Seer 707 Winston claim Seer 792 Mob vote for Poster
The way you would trigger the instruction would be to reference the post number associated with the instruction, but mis-attribute the post you're referencing to the wrong author. A simple mistake - if a townie notices it, it will be meaningless - oops, you say, got my notes mixed up. We watch your posts, if we see you reference one of our trigger post numbers we look at the actual post number and if it's mis-attributed we know you're communicating to us. If the post you reference is properly attributed, no message. All we'd need to do is agree on our list of commands, and make sure everyone understands. I think it's simple enough to fly under the radar of the townies.
Lastly, to trigger "792 Mob vote for <Townie X>" you would misattribute Post 792 to whomever you want us to mass-vote to lynch.
A mass vote would be risky - might not need this one.
Thoughts?
Also, is this legal? Should we ask Our Feline Overlord if it's kosher?
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 21:08:38 GMT
K, I'm out until Sunday afternoon at the earliest. I think we should kill one of RT or Julie, or whichever confirmed Towny is least likely to be protected, really, and Chucara or Winston (preferably Chucara) should claim investigator immediately at Dawn, before PCM has a chance to do anything. If we can get PCM lynched Tomorrow, I think we win. With a skunk . If we fail, I think we're going to lose in the long run. Catch ya'll on the flip side!
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 21:14:25 GMT
Since the opinion of the wolfitude has shifted, and I'm largely in agreement with the new direction, we'll do this:
Unlunch Precambrian Mollusc Lunch Revenant Threshold
Again, I can be convinced otherwise, so don't hesitate to share your thoughts on this pick.
As for the communication system, it's pretty cool, but I think we can make it simpler and less suspicious at the same time by simply associating codewords for these actions. I think we need more options, too.
Here's my proposal:
rat - KidV claim Seer dog - KidV DON'T claim Seer
Oxford - Chucara claim Seer class - Chucara DON'T claim Seer
book - Winston claim Seer ignorance - Winston DON'T claim Seer
dinner - mob vote for <Townie X>; just mention that Townie anywhere in your post, but make sure s/he is the only Townie you mention in that post hungry - DON'T mob vote
cross - stop lurking (direct the post at one of us with a quote, or a mention, or whatever) moon - be quieter (same deal)
And we shouldn't rely on this system--we should enter the Day with a clear idea of strategy and exact, specific plans. The system is for emergencies only. Which means you'll need to be looking at whichever code we use whenever you post to make sure you (a) see an emergency signal if it's given and (b) avoid using them accidentally.
Thoughts?
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 21:16:02 GMT
As for our new information on Kid V's lurkiness, I think we should plan for Chucara to claim right as Day breaks, and for Winston to be there in case he misses it. Chucara, you there, buddy?
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 21:16:46 GMT
Re: legality--in a real-life Mafia situation, the scum would undoubtedly develop some kind of code to use when amongst their tastier brethren during the day, so I'm sure it's fine.
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Post by CatInASuit on Mar 27, 2009 21:53:01 GMT
It is highly amusing.
Any codes you wish to work out are also kosher as well.
Screwing up codes and getting it horribly wrong is also part of the game.
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Post by chucara on Mar 27, 2009 23:13:26 GMT
I'm here, but I'll need to know when (preferably in GMT the day starts again). I don't think anyone will believe a seer claim now, I myself have already stated that I think the real seer should claim now. I think we should bide our time, and get even a single townie to vote for another townie. Then, we should at the VERY last minute switch all of our votes to that townie. This requires that everyone can be online at the exact right time. I know I can at least (I'll set an alarm this time ) This is the most likely plan to succeed (if everyone can switch votes at the right time) Even if we don't succeed today, town will be at lylo.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 28, 2009 0:02:54 GMT
The day was supposed to start at 8 PM GMT on Saturday March 28th, but CIAS is going to an RPG thing, so it's actually going to start the next time he can get to a computer with his wits about him, possibly as late as Sunday morning. The fluidity of toMorrow's dawn is a problem, unfortunately, as is the fact that PCM is in Malaysia, which means that CIAS's Sunday morning is PCM's lazy Sunday afternoon.
Still, I can't make you claim Seer. I agree with Kid V, but in the end, it's your call. I know I'm not going to claim Seer, because it's just too risky. If you have an absolute decision in mind as to whether you're willing to do it, feel free to post it before Daybreak so that Winston can make his own decision on the matter. If not, this is where codes will come in handy. (For the record, Oxford is where DB went when she was gone all that time, so you can work it into something like "While DB was at Oxford, I was thinking blah blah blah". I dunno.) You can also come up with a code for "I've decided I'm not doing this".
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Post by winston on Mar 28, 2009 12:03:52 GMT
I'm cool with HDs code. Damn. We're within sniffing distance of a shut out. I'll try not to blow it for us.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 28, 2009 18:24:01 GMT
Cool.
By the way, guys, keep in mind that nobody's needed more than four votes to get lynched yet. As long as there isn't consensus among the Town, we can force a mislynch, or, at the very least, a no-lynch.
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