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Post by winston on Mar 27, 2009 14:55:48 GMT
If one of us is facing lynch tomorrow and claims, what do you guys think about one of us counter-claiming one of our own? True, it's risky, but the payoff could make it worth it. It would put a real mind-fuck on the townies, too.
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Post by chucara on Mar 27, 2009 15:03:03 GMT
I absolutely don't think we should kill PCM. I don't think we can. I'd say the protection targets are:
70% PCM 20% Selfprotect doc 10% storyteller
I think there's a good chance that KidV will get investigated. We need to get tonights kill in, and town is at lylo.
As I see it, our options are: - Kill story or another mason - Kill ulla if we think she's the GA, and PCM tomorrow.
I don't see how we can kill PCM tonight.
I don't see how we can get PCM lynched. I do semi-follow winston. I think anyone under the gun should claim GA. And it would be a huge gamble to have one of us claim GA, but if it works (and we get a kill in tonight, we'll win.
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Post by chucara on Mar 27, 2009 15:04:38 GMT
Just to add: If KidV gets investigated, I think he should consider claiming GA. He would be more credible than ulla if she is unconfirmed. If Ulla claims first, I think KidV should counter if he is investigated.
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Post by winston on Mar 27, 2009 15:24:03 GMT
The four of us could mass-claim Seer and all three Masons. That would be fun.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:25:22 GMT
Just to add: If KidV gets investigated, I think he should consider claiming GA. He would be more credible than ulla if she is unconfirmed. If Ulla claims first, I think KidV should counter if he is investigated. It wouldn't fly. If I'm investigated and claim GA, the real doc will wait to see whether folks decide to believe me or PCM. I think a better idea might be for one of us to claim Seer right out the gate, and finger Fisheroo or Stickler. That gives us a much better crack at a mislynch than trying to work around the real Seer. Lets get in his face.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 16:29:05 GMT
How and why? It'd be nice, yes, but I don't think they trust you much, Winston. As fun as it was to watch you wave goodbye to RoOsh, they're not going to look at you as a fount of useful strategy now. I saw your name on a lot of FOS lists. (The rest of us, too, which is why I'm not optimistic about any of us building a case toMorrow.)
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:30:08 GMT
Actually, I'm starting to like that alot. Lets one of me, Chucara, or Winston claim investigator immediately after the Day starts. Report to have investigated Storyteller, Hostile Dialect, and Boozy. Say you didn't want to counterclaim, but you know PCM is scum and you're sure that he's going to bus a townie now that Town is at lylo. You have no choice but to claim, he's scum, etc. Town should split on it, giving us the chance to come together on his lynch towards the end of the day.
I should say, don't vote early on it, or even come down to one side or the other. Town will be looking for scum to push, so we'll have to do it late.
Course, if we manage to kill him tonight, it won't matter. But between the two plans, we just might pull this out.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 16:32:44 GMT
NETA: Sorry, that post was before I saw the second page.
Chucara, you have a point. What does everyone else think about the probability of actually getting to PCM toNight?
I don't get how it would help for one of us (other than me, maybe, but too risky IMO) to claim GA after being investigated. PCM has gained the town's trust. Ulla is about as confirmed as it gets, considering that he's taken over DB's role, whatever it was.
OTOH, something about Winston's claim-counterclaim idea really appeals to me. Can we work on crafting those posts, or at least outlining them?
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:33:04 GMT
Chucara would probably be best. I've been the most egregious lurker, but I'm going to be gone until Sunday evening, and won't be around to start to Day.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 16:41:16 GMT
If one of y'all is going to claim Seer, I think each of you should be ready to be the one, because any one of us could be investigated. If it's me, of course, it's all gravy. But at near-lylo, especially after mislynching, I think PCM may well start looking for scum and y'all are 4 out of maybe 6 suspicious people. So the chances are pretty good that one of you is going to pop positive in the Morning.
I propose the following system:
If Kid V pops: Chucara claims If Chucara pops: Kid V claims If Winston pops: Kid V claims
I'm suggesting that Winston not enter this scheme because he's drawing the most heat of the three of you. This isn't an order by any means, though, just a template to start discussion on the matter. All of my delusions of grandeur aside, I can't make y'all do anything you don't want to do during the Day.
As for voting, I think that regardless of what happens, all of us who don't claim need to lay low--no taunting, no FOS unless pressed to give one, no voting unless you feel you have to--and then we all make absolutely sure we can log in during the last hour of voting and we all vote for the same person. Again, check to see who the first wolf or the other wolves have voted for, and vote for him. Even though I can't make you vote the way I want you to, I will be pretty pissed if I see our votes split tomorrow. With this much control over the voting pool, and the town's terrible aim, there's no reason we can't drive the lynch again.
Nightfall will be at 1 PM Pacific, 2 Mountain, 3 Central, 4 Eastern, and make sure you have the date right. I usually put an alarm in my phone to go off an hour before the deadline.
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Post by hostiledialect on Mar 27, 2009 16:42:12 GMT
NETA: Nevermind about my little chart in the last post. Didn't see Kid V's last post.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:43:23 GMT
NETA: Sorry, that post was before I saw the second page. Chucara, you have a point. What does everyone else think about the probability of actually getting to PCM toNight? Odds of tagging PCM aren't the best. But if we don't, each lynch reduces the size of the pool we're hiding in or kills one of us, and each investigation does the same. That will happen faster than we can kill confirmed Townies. We have to target PCM at this point, and hope the Doc likes to play games. Put that together with countering him right out the gate in the morning, and I think we've got a good shot at getting rid of him by Dusk Tomorrow at the latest.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:45:27 GMT
NETA: Nevermind about my little chart in the last post. Didn't see Kid V's last post. Yeah, I'm proposing that we get our claim in before PCM even has a chance to post. I specifically don't think we should claim to have found a scum... like I said, make it Story N1, Boozy N2, and HD N3. If we point to any other scum, Town will want to lynch them to test our claim, and we don't want anybody but PCM lynched.
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Post by kidv on Mar 27, 2009 16:48:17 GMT
NETA, Yeah, I'm proposing that we get our claim in before PCM even has a chance to post, that way if he does come up with one of us, it doesn't look near as reliable. Especially if he investigated the one who's countered him.
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Post by winston on Mar 27, 2009 16:50:21 GMT
I think if we're going to counter-counter, it's got to be either me or KidV getting bus'd, and Chucara making the second claim and calling bullshit. Reason being, like HD points out, nobody really trusts me (or KidV) at this point anyways, and I (or KidV) will probably be going down anyhow. Chucara, OTOH, has managed to lay low, not attract any attention, and not ping anyone's radar - perfect behavior for the 'real' Seer - trying to lay low, but countering at this point because the town is in deep trouble now and needs help more than ever!
I think that's a Hail Mary play, though, and if we can get the Seer tonight we may want to hold off.
I've also been trying to formulate a way for us to communicate a little bit during the day using code. I think I've come up with something - let me know if it's worth it. We'd need a few general instructions to store here and reference later (i.e. Kid V - claim Seer ASAP, or Everone Vote for <townie> last minute, or etc.). Like I said, don't know if it's needed or worth the trouble, but I've worked out a foolproof method.
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