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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 15:41:21 GMT
I am reversing my initial assessment. I think yeah, it's possible the woodpecker literally pecks his victim's heads off of their shoulders.
Pleonast went out of his way to not confirm my revealing of him as the woodpecker. And further, I believe his breadcrumb of woodpecker is intended to indicate who he was after all. Not just the name of his character. I think this indicates he's not a vanilla role, and simply CANNOT confirm that he is the woodpecker at this time, because from where he sits, that's his big clue that he's not a vanilla role, and he's responsible for the decapitation deaths. It's not so obvious to us, but it is to him.
He intends to claim credit for woodpecker related kills. That's what his play has been about all game. He wants to make sure, when he claims, people won't think he's a mafioso or a serial killer. That's why he keeps intending to foreshadow his movements.
He is trying to cover his own ass, I think. That's why he keeps making this particular move, that I've spotted over and over before tonight, and also twice tonight.
It's just not stunningly obvious that the decapitations are caused by a woodpecker. If it were, we would have solved this after we saw the results of night one.
I think we've got him. I would be stunned if I were wrong on this.
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 15:42:16 GMT
Also, I'm sorry I keep on double-triple-quadruple posting.
On the plus side, I'll soon be dead, and you'll have all that blissful silence to look forward to.
LOL
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 15:45:04 GMT
I wonder if I can spot him foreshadowing the Silver Jan kill. If I can, he's completely boned.
BRB
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 16:01:37 GMT
I have a 1. without a 2. I'm willing to move my vote to save the claimed cop but I prefer dizzy over paranoia. Players had better be moving their votes off of gnarly, so vote for who you want to see lynched. (This is exactly the situation where multiple votes is useful--players should not have to decide between voting for who they think should be lynched and who they think can be lynched.) At the time of this post by Pleonast, Silver Jan was voting for gnarlycharlie. After this post, Silver Jan moved to Dizzy. It's conceivable that this particular vote movement was a flinch, in the eyes of Pleonast. It's small, but it could be the motive for Silver Jan's death. Silver Jan, did you even bother to read my last post? Must have been a cross post cos I didn't see it and the time stamps seem to confirm that. I will read it, like I said Dizzy is still scummy to me but your attitude is rather a hurtful one and that is the scummy you  might consider this post to be an attempt to smear the claimed town detective and get him lynched. Silver Jan moved her vote right after this post, and was much more active at the very end of day than at any other time. As such, it might appear from Pleonast's point of view that Silver Jan was scum trying to influence the lynch with last-minute shenanigans. There's nothing concrete here, though. I am disappointed. And if Pleonast is the vigilante, why did he not target Suburban Plankton?
Maybe he was trying to not make it stunningly obvious that he was the vig? I dunno. It's tough to guess other people's motives, even for someone like me who does it all the time. @ Team-
Do we have ANY OTHER CANDIDATES for vigilante? I wish I had something totally conclusive, but I'm just not spotting anyone else at the moment. I read everything Silver Jan said, and everyone who spoke to Silver Jan. Nothing popped out.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 16, 2013 16:13:54 GMT
I have a bad feeling the Pleo is plain vanilla. He has zero problems saying "I am a power role"
Why the weird cryptogram this time...
Why is he being obtuse and obvious at the same time...
I think he wants us to think he's the vig to mess with us but he's really vanilla. I don't see Pleo being obvious....
I don't mind taking a shot at him.
Jaade is the better kill BUT she know knows I saw her...and it will be hard to explain how she was picked at random to die and make me look bad
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 16:16:56 GMT
I have a bad feeling the Pleo is plain vanilla. He has zero problems saying "I am a power role" Why the weird cryptogram this time... Why is he being obtuse and obvious at the same time... I think he wants us to think he's the vig to mess with us but he's really vanilla. I don't see Pleo being obvious.... I don't mind taking a shot at him. Jaade is the better kill BUT she know knows I saw her...and it will be hard to explain how she was picked at random to die and make me look bad This might be the one instance where Pleonast doesn't want to advertise that he's a great murder target. But he still crumbed what he was. Jaade- She knows you saw her, but town does not. If we kill her, she must remain silent on the matter. Honestly, in my view, our only two choices for murder tonight are our top suspect for vigilante (Pleonast) and Jaade. I don't see any other move working out for us, unless we happened to hit the vigilante and it wasn't Pleonast. Jaade+the Vig is too powerful for the rest of this team after I die. One of them must be dead tonight, and preferably the vig, because that is much more of a threat. |
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 16:19:27 GMT
It is plausible, but noticeably weaker, for us to forgo killing Pleonast in favor of merely blocking him and killing Jaade.
Why it's weaker is because this is the last night I can actually stop Pleonast from killing one of you. You have no such protection tomorrow night.
If we don't kill Pleonast, my recommend is killing Jaade and blocking Pleonast. But as mentioned, that's weaker than killing the vig outright. Gives town too many free shots.
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Post by CatInASuit on Jul 16, 2013 17:16:51 GMT
I also have a game mechanics question. Oh glorious CatInASuit mod god, please favor me with an answer to my prayer-
In purely hypothetical terms, if a mafia roleblocker targets another killer, who intends to kill said mafia roleblocker, is the kill stopped, or does it still work?I have seen either one, it depends on the game host. All I shall re-iterate is: any player you target at Night will be unable to perform any actions. |
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Post by askthepizzaguy on Jul 16, 2013 17:34:27 GMT
Good. If I manage to target the vigilante tonight, they can't do squat.
My best guess is Pleonast. The only people I should be targeting with the block are Jaade, or the vigilante, and the vigilante can do more damage.
Regardless of who we attack, I definitely should be trying to block the vig. We should be trying to kill said vig too, but I understand Jaade is a surer bet in terms of town power roles we need to eliminate.
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Post by texcat on Jul 16, 2013 18:59:55 GMT
I have a bad feeling the Pleo is plain vanilla. He has zero problems saying "I am a power role" Why the weird cryptogram this time... Why is he being obtuse and obvious at the same time... I think he wants us to think he's the vig to mess with us but he's really vanilla. I don't see Pleo being obvious.... I don't mind taking a shot at him. Jaade is the better kill BUT she know knows I saw her...and it will be hard to explain how she was picked at random to die and make me look bad This might be the one instance where Pleonast doesn't want to advertise that he's a great murder target. But he still crumbed what he was. Jaade- She knows you saw her, but town does not. If we kill her, she must remain silent on the matter. Honestly, in my view, our only two choices for murder tonight are our top suspect for vigilante (Pleonast) and Jaade. I don't see any other move working out for us, unless we happened to hit the vigilante and it wasn't Pleonast. Jaade+the Vig is too powerful for the rest of this team after I die. One of them must be dead tonight, and preferably the vig, because that is much more of a threat. I think you just made a good argument for why we need to kill Jaade toNight, before she can say anything, and hopefully before she realizes that she needs to self-protect. Town now knows that we have a roleblocker. Gnarly's claim that he was blocked is now proven true. I am just worried that Pleo was leading us (or mis-leading us) down a garden path. If Pizza is still alive in the morning, we will have confirmation that Pleo is the vig and we can kill him tomorrow night. If Pizza is dead, then Dizzy will have seen the vig. The only flaw in killing Jaade tonight and the vig tomorrow is if the vig targets Suburban (or Dizzy or me) tomorrow night, then they both end up dead. SilverJan sure looked like a random victim to me. That's why I still think that the vig is a 3rd party SK. |
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Post by texcat on Jul 17, 2013 0:30:26 GMT
I am happy to do the kill again. Suburban and Dizzy, I think we've narrowed it down to Jaade or Pleo. Which do you prefer?
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 17, 2013 3:58:56 GMT
Well, I'm 50/50 on Jaade vs Pleo.
IF Pleo is the Vig/SK then Yay us, we rocked it out, kept Pizza alive another Night, force Town to have a day with no discussion, and no scum hunting. Yay us.
IF Pleo is not the Vig, than we are screwed tomorrow night with Jaade AND a vig out there to kill us.
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Post by dizzymrslizzy on Jul 17, 2013 4:00:06 GMT
I'm happy to try and kill Pleo and take the big chance to kill the vig.
We can always go for Jaade tomorrrow, but we won't have Pizza's help tomorrow night.
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Post by texcat on Jul 17, 2013 14:09:55 GMT
I was hoping to hear from SP again, since I want to kill Jaade and Pizza thinks we should kill Pleo and Dizzy looks like she could go either way. I'll check back in about 3 hours and confirm our orders then.
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Post by suburbanplankton on Jul 17, 2013 14:34:02 GMT
I'm back...but I'm not sure I'm going to make the decision any easier.
My gut says that Pleo is not the Vig, and that he's trying to draw fire.
But I also have a feeling that killing Jaade will come back to bite us. She doesn't seem to be on anyone's radar at the moment, so if she is the Town Doc and ends up dead, people are going to start asking questions, and I think the answer are going to point straight to our claimed Watcher.
If it were up to me personally, I'd go in a completely different direction and kill Mahaloth...again, just on a gut feeling.
But all that's not really of much use to the discussion, is it? Between Pleonast and Jaade, I think our best target for a kill is Pleonast.
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